Letter from the nuncio to France, Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno, to the PF secretary [Francesco Ingoli], 1628-09-11, Chives
CM petitions
France (missions in)
The nuncio to France, Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno, lets Secretary Ingoli know that he would be disappointed if the matter of CM would not amount to a successful conclusion. He asks that PF at least send a "handful of articles" for these good priests, who otherwise would be too afflicted if they heard about the total rejection of their wish.
Date discussed 1628-10-17
Additional comments
a) Written from "the camp below La Rochelle", probably Chives;
b) PF note on 71v indicates that the nuncio's letter was brought to discussion in PF general congregation of 17 October 1628. Evidently the letter was received by Ingoli after the meeting of 25 September 1628, when the second petition of CM was discussed and rejected;
c) Coppo points to the familiar tone of the letter, which suggests that the relations between the nuncio and Ingoli were very cordial; this also explains the confidential suggestion to at least gather a "handful of articles" to apease the "good priests." Coppo assumes that, at the time when he wrote this letter, the nuncio had not yet received the letter from PF (dated 1 September, located in Lettere Volgare 7, f. 119r-v (database item 38)) which let him know about the cardinals' decision to reject the first petition of CM, which had been taken in the general meeting of 22 August 1628.
Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno
APF SOCG 130, 68r-v, 71v
Main text and note published and analyzed in A. Coppo, "Documenti inediti per la storia della Congregazione della Missione, presso l'archivio della S. C. 'De Propaganda Fide,''' Annali della Missione79:3-4 (1972): 37-65, here 59-61. There is only one discrepancy between the original and the published text: "afflitti" (f. 68r) is transcribed by Coppo as "affetti" (p. 60).
1628-09-11
Addressed to [Francesco Ingoli]
Original; signed; Italian; written in the nuncio's own hand.
Italian
Letter
16
Origin: Chives
Destination: Rome
Letter from Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno to the PF secretary [Francesco Ingoli], 1628-08-17, Chives
CM petitions
France (missions in)
Letter from the nuncio to France, Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno, to PF Secretary Ingoli accompanying: a) a letter from the reigning queen (Anna of Austria) recommending CM to French Ambassador de Béthune; b) the second petition in 1628 for PF approval of CM; and c) the nuncio's own recommendation addressed to Cardinal Ludovisi. In this letter to Ingoli, the nuncio shortly mentions that the "missionaries" want "something more" and that he strongly recommends the matter to Ludovisi. The first part of the letter refers to a different matter (an Arabic typeset requested by the PF printing house).
Date discussed 1628-09-25
Additional comments
a) Written from "the camp below La Rochelle", probably Chives;
b) The queen's letter is missing.
Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno
APF SOCG 130, 66r-v, 73v
Main text and note published and analyzed in A. Coppo, "Documenti inediti per la storia della Congregazione della Missione, presso l'archivio della S. C. 'De Propaganda Fide,''' Annali della Missione 79:3-4 (1972): 37-65, here 57-59.
1628-08-17
Addressed to [Francesco Ingoli]
Original; signed; Italian; written in the nuncio's own hand.
Italian
Letter
15
Origin: Chives
Destination: Rome
Letter from the nuncio to France, Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno, to [Ludovico Ludovisi], 1628-08-15, Chives
CM petitions
France (missions in)
Petitions for faculties
Letter from the nuncio to France, Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno, to Cardinal Ludovisi, accompanying the second 1628 petition for the approval of CM. The nuncio reiterates his support for CM, and defers to Cardinal Ludovisi the decision about the form and content of the faculties requested by CM.
Date discussed 1628-09-25
Additional comments
Written at the camp at Chives, below La Rochelle, during the siege of that city.
Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno
APF SOCG 130, 59r, 65v
Main text in P. Coste, ed., Saint Vincent de Paul: correspondance, entretiens, documents (Paris: 1920-25), vol. 13, doc. 71.; note published and analyzed in A. Coppo, "Documenti inediti per la storia della Congregazione della Missione, presso l'archivio della S. C. 'De Propaganda Fide,''' Annali della Missione 79:3-4 (1972): 37-65, here 55-57. For discrepancies between the original and the published texts, see attached file.
1628-08-15
Addressed to [Ludovico Ludovisi]
See for the petition itself: APF SOCG 130 60r-63v (database item 14).
Original; signed; Italian
Italian
Letter
13
Origin: Chives
Destination: Rome
Letter from the nunico to France [Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno] to the PF secretary [Francesco Ingoli], 1628-07-23, Chives
CM petitions
France (missions in)
Letter from the nuncio to France, Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno, accompanying two letters from King Louis XIII recommending CM to Pope Urban VIII and to the French ambassador to the Apostolic See, the count of Béthune. The nuncio's letter serves to introduce the king's letters but also to reiterate the nuncio's support for CM.
Date discussed 1628-09-05
Additional comments
a) Written at the camp at Chives, below La Rochelle, during the siege of that city;
b) The king's letters mentioned by the nuncio are not included in this SOCG volume. Coste published their texts based on copies found in Paris; the originals are missing;
c) The PF note on 57v consigns the matter to PF general of 5 September 1628, but Coppo thinks this might be a mistake, since CM was not discussed on 5 September, but on 25 September.
Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno
APF SOCG 130, 54r, 57v
Main text published in P. Coste, ed., Saint Vincent de Paul: correspondance, entretiens, documents (Paris: 1920-25), vol. 13, doc. 70. The PF notes on 57v were published and analyzed by A. Coppo in "Documenti inediti per la storia della Congregazione della Missione, presso l'archivio della S. C. 'De Propaganda Fide,''' Annali della Missione 79:3-4 (1972): 37-65, here 44-45. For discrepancies between the original and the published texts (only one word in Coppo), see attached file.
1628-07-23
Addressed to [Francesco Ingoli]
Original; signed; Italian
Italian
Letter
12
Origin: Chives
Destination: Rome
Letter from the nuncio to France [Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno] to the PF prefect [Ludovico Ludovisi], 1628-06-21, Chives
CM petitions
France (missions in)
Letter from the nuncio to France, Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno, to Cardinal Ludovisi accompanying the first CM petition asking for approval of the congregation by PF in 1628. The nuncio strongly recommends the CM missionaries and their "Institute." The first part of the letter refers to other matters (i.e. Protestants being tolerated too much in Poschiavo and in Lower Engadine by Monsieur de Mesmin).
Date discussed 1628-08-22
Additional comments
The letter was written "di Chius nel Campo sotto la Roccella" (Chives, the army camp below La Rochelle, during the siege of that city).
Giovanni Francesco Guidi di Bagno
APF SOCG 130, 44r-45v
Part of letter relevant to CM published in P. Coste, ed., Saint Vincent de Paul: correspondance, entretiens, documents (Paris: 1920-25), vol. 13, doc. 67. The English translation (available in P. Coste, ed., Saint Vincent de Paul: Correspondence, Conferences, Documents (Brooklyn, NY: 1985-2010), vol. 13a, doc. 67.) is not based on Coste's initial transcription but on the text published and analyzed by A. Coppo in "Documenti inediti per la storia della Congregazione della Missione, presso l'archivio della S. C. "De Propaganda Fide,"' Annali della Missione 79:3-4 (1972): 37-65, here 42-44 (because Coste's version has a few discrepancies from the original). Coppo's text is faithful to the original with two exceptions: a) it gives "Poschiano" instead of "Poschiauo" (Poschiavo) in the first paragraph of the letter (not related to CM); and b) the ommission of one redundant word. Place names are modernized both in Coste (English edition) and in Coppo.
1628-06-21
Addressed to [Ludovico Ludovisi]
Original letter, signed, Italian
Italian
Letter
9
Origin: Chives
Destination: Rome